MBY wrote: ↑
Tue 09 Nov 2021, 10:16
Ja, det är något som förvisso är självklart för medkännande skeptiker, men som ändå kanske inte alla har klart för sig: även psykosomatiska besvär och ren inbillan utgör verkliga obehag. Samma med elallergiker o.dyl. Lidandet är riktigt. Det är förklaringsmodellen som är fel.
Nu har jag förvisso inte följt "havannasyndromet" på ett tag, så jag kan inte säga om det är inbillningssjuka eller någon verklig extern omständighet bakom men det verkar som de flesta medierna är rätt återhållsamma
och ger intrycket av att det faktiskt är ESS, dvs "inbillan". Kan ju vara någon kombo förstås
. Något jävulskap som lätt leder till epidemier av ESS. Självklart kan en antagonist försöka utnyttja människors förmåga till somatisering.
1) For the most part the mainstream media in particular hasn't been återhållsamma
. Even though there is no weapon, no actually detected and measured microwave (at least none that we have heard of), and no actual attacker, many journalists simply report whatever their CIA sources or U.S. politicians tell them. Most journalists don't do investigative journalism (= most journalists don't get paid to do investigative journalism). So many Americans think that there can be no doubt that American diplomats (not CIA agents) and their families were attacked
by a microwave (or directed energy, whatever) weapon
that caused actual physical brain damage
and that the attackers were Russians
(or sometimes Chinese). So the only thing that needs to be done at this point is retaliation.
Preferably as soon as possible.
See the quotations in these two posts:
2) You are right about the combo, which is very often found in cases of mass psychogenic illness. The experts think so, too. You have a group of people, some of whom may feel ill for whatever reason and then something happens, which they imagine might be the cause.
a) In the case of the Danish HPV-vaccinated girls, some of them did have actual maladies, and for whatever reason, they imagined that the vaccine might have harmed them, even though some of them had actually complained about their symptoms before they were vaccinated. Then they meet online where other girls read their stories and begin to fear that they, too, may have been harmed by the vaccine. From then on, it spreads much the same way yawning spreads in a group of people.
b) You can even have what I would describe as 'mass psychogenic illness by proxy'. The story is well-known: Parents of autistic children became convinced that the autism was caused by the MMR vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella), which children usually get when they are about the age when autism is diagnosed. The quack Andrew Wakefield helped spread that particular idea.
However, the symptoms of autism are pretty specific, so the fear didn't really spread the way the 'Havana Syndrome' was spread. The 'Havana Syndrome' symptoms are much less specific: headaches, nausea, dizziness, sleep disorders. Some of the 'Havana Syndrome' sufferers had also had symptoms before
the alleged attacks, for instance the people with hearing problems.
However, one very recent thing has given me hope that there are still people in the U.S. government who are aware that they are dealing with mass psychogenic illness and not with an attack and that the people causing it are the ones who are trying to create a panic:
The three posts I link to all contain links to other sources, but I have quoted and commented on the relevant parts of those sources.