Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Thu 11 Aug 2022, 07:31

Nemesis wrote:
Wed 10 Aug 2022, 22:08
Det vore intressant om Johannes, pwm, Cytokrom C med flera (och även Dann, fast jag gissar att du håller med om det mesta) läste detta, och kunde peka ut eventuella felaktigheter eller vad ni är oense med författaren om.
I like what I've read so far. It should have more readers.
(My estimate of it having had few readers is based on the number of comments.)
However, I tend to disagree with Anita Pavišić's recommendation of her voodoo doctor! :)

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Sat 13 Aug 2022, 05:19

Sundhedsminister advarer: Snart kommer vi alle til at gå med mundbind igen (Flensborg Avis, Aug 12, 2022)
Berlin. Trods faldende smittetal forventer den tyske sundhedsminister, Karl Lauterbach (SPD) pligt til at bære mundbind i stort set hele Tyskland fra oktober. Muligvis skal borgerne desuden være indstillet på endnu skrappere forholdsregler mod corona.
Lauterbach vil holde fast i sit omstridte udspil. Trods delvist hård kritik fra delstaterne forventer sundhedsministeren, at retningslinjerne bliver fulgt.
https://www.fla.de/tyskland/kort-nyt/47104/sundhedsminister-advarer-snart-kommer-vi-alle-til-at-ga-med-mun
But it's nothing that enlightened Scandinavians need to worry about. Our superior scientists will reassure us that face masks only prevent us from achieving super immunity. That Germans have started emulating the primitive customs of Asians is no reason why we should follow suit. :(

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Sat 13 Aug 2022, 15:36

dann wrote:
Thu 11 Aug 2022, 07:31
Nemesis wrote:
Wed 10 Aug 2022, 22:08
Det vore intressant om Johannes, pwm, Cytokrom C med flera (och även Dann, fast jag gissar att du håller med om det mesta) läste detta, och kunde peka ut eventuella felaktigheter eller vad ni är oense med författaren om.
I like what I've read so far. It should have more readers.
(My estimate of it having had few readers is based on the number of comments.)
However, I tend to disagree with Anita Pavišić's recommendation of her voodoo doctor! :)
Det är synd att Johannes, pwm, med flera, inte vill läsa, eller iaf inte kommentera om de ändå läst. Den artikelserien skulle kunna vara en bra grund för en diskussion.
"If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed." - Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Sat 13 Aug 2022, 15:43

dann wrote:
Sat 13 Aug 2022, 05:19
Sundhedsminister advarer: Snart kommer vi alle til at gå med mundbind igen (Flensborg Avis, Aug 12, 2022)
Berlin. Trods faldende smittetal forventer den tyske sundhedsminister, Karl Lauterbach (SPD) pligt til at bære mundbind i stort set hele Tyskland fra oktober. Muligvis skal borgerne desuden være indstillet på endnu skrappere forholdsregler mod corona.
Lauterbach vil holde fast i sit omstridte udspil. Trods delvist hård kritik fra delstaterne forventer sundhedsministeren, at retningslinjerne bliver fulgt.
https://www.fla.de/tyskland/kort-nyt/47104/sundhedsminister-advarer-snart-kommer-vi-alle-til-at-ga-med-mun
But it's nothing that enlightened Scandinavians need to worry about. Our superior scientists will reassure us that face masks only prevent us from achieving super immunity. That Germans have started emulating the primitive customs of Asians is no reason why we should follow suit. :(
Många länder har avskaffat mer eller mindre alla regler och rekommendationer relaterade till Covid. Det blir intressant att se hur vågen i vinter påverkar detta.

Förresten, kolla in det här Twitter-kontot: https://twitter.com/Infecti13786677

Som förväntat är det inte många vetenskapliga länkar på det kontot. Personen bakom verkar föredra Substack som källa.
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Sat 13 Aug 2022, 19:06

Nemesis wrote:
Sat 13 Aug 2022, 15:43
Förresten, kolla in det här Twitter-kontot: https://twitter.com/Infecti13786677
That is incredibly ignorant:
In Denmark, kids were surrounded by other kids. Increasingly immune kids.
(...)
Maybe we got lucky. I will admit that.
But now our kids have all been infected (all did well) and they are all immune. This protects not only other kids but our entire population.
Life is back to normal since February 2022.
https://twitter.com/Infecti13786677/status/1558122121716383744
1) He pretends that kids in Denmark don't have teachers, parents and grandparents.
2) He pretends that we know how many kids got infected. It is very likely that the vast majority of them did. When Danish blood donors were tested in March 2022, 70% of the turned out to have had the infection at some point, but kids aren't blood donors and very few of them get PCR tested.
3) Denmark pretends that 'life is back to normal', which simply means that the death toll since February 2022, much higher than in 2020 and 2021, has been more or less ignored by health authorities and the media:
Feb 1, 2022: 3,770 deaths --> Aug 12, 2022: 6,792. More than 3,000 Covid-19 deaths in a little more than six months.
Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2022-02-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_cases&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~DNK
I won't even comment on the "all immune" nonsense. Since kids, for the most part, aren't tested, nobody knows how many of them are reinfected.
And then there are the deliberate lies: "(all did well)". They all did well? Really?
https://www.tv2lorry.dk/tv2dk/foerste-barn-registreret-doed-med-coronavirus-i-danmark
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/barn-doed-med-coronavirus
https://sundhedspolitisktidsskrift.dk/nyheder/5432-dansk-dreng-uden-andre-sygdomme-dod-med-covid-19.html
https://nordjyske.dk/nyheder/nordjylland/11-aarig-doede-faa-dage-efter-han-blev-testet-positiv/966f8d10-c760-459d-8f04-4d31fd1cf608
https://www.berlingske.dk/danmark/barn-i-midtjylland-er-doed-med-coronavirus
https://ugeskriftet.dk/nyhed/fodselslaeger-slar-alarm-vi-ser-flere-dodfodsler-pa-grund-af-covid-19
https://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/sundhedogmotion/art8510859/Voldsom-stigning-i-antallet-af-døde-ufødte-børn-blandt-smittede-gravide-får-styrelse-og-læger-til-at-opfordre-alle-kommende-mødre-til-at-blive-vaccineret

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Mon 15 Aug 2022, 11:09

Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus apkoppor är evidensbaserade?

Ahead of Copenhagen Pride next weekend, the health authorities have started vaccinating people in the risk group, which seems to be a good idea. The monkeypox vaccine is probably much more effective than the Covid vaccines:
Inden pride presser partier på for flere abekoppe-vacciner (B.T., Aug 6, 2022)
https://www.bt.dk/politik/inden-pride-presser-partier-paa-for-flere-abekoppe-vacciner
There was an excellent episode of Last Week Tonight last week. Unfortunately, not much has been learned about tackling an infectious disease since 2020:
Monkeypox: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (on YouTube, Aug 8, 2022 - 23:36 min.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcFCFZIuZI

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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Mon 15 Aug 2022, 12:36

Det vore ett stort misslyckande om apkoppor blir en endemisk sjukdom i Europa eller Nordamerika. Det finns redan ett vaccin, och sjukdomen är mycket mindre smittsam än Covid och verkar heller inte smitta asymtomatiskt i lika stor utsträckning som Covid, och är därmed ett mycket lättare virus att bekämpa.
Monkeypox can become endemic – here’s how it can be stopped in its tracks

Since May of this year, more than 26,000 cases of monkeypox have been reported worldwide – prompting the World Health Organization (WHO) to declare it a public health emergency.

What’s unusual about this outbreak is that most of the cases have been reported in countries where the virus is not normally found (otherwise known as “endemic”). And, unlike previous outbreaks based mainly in central and western Africa, the current outbreak isn’t linked to exposure to an infected animal – but is exclusively being spread human-to-human.

As case numbers continue to rise worldwide, there are concerns that if more urgent action isn’t taken, monkeypox could also become endemic in regions where this isn’t normally the case – such as in the US and Europe.

https://theconversation.com/monkeypox-can-become-endemic-heres-how-it-can-be-stopped-in-its-tracks-188254
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Tue 16 Aug 2022, 20:04

Australian Skeptics Inc ska hålla konferens i Canberra nu i december, och VoF:s ordförande Pontus Böckman ska hålla föredraget "Sweden's COVID-19 response - reviewing an outlier".

Länk: https://skepticon.org.au/speaker/pontus-bockman/

Jag undrar vad han kommer att säga.
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Thu 18 Aug 2022, 21:44

Norska världsmästaren i schack, Magnus Carlsen, verkar lida av långtids-Covid:
Carlsen struck by Covid-19: ‘Every time I think, I blunder’

Magnus Carlsen revealed he’s suffering the debilitating after-effects of Covid-19 as the Norwegian’s former world title challenger Ian Nepomniachtchi continued his red-hot Airthings Masters charge.

Nepo – as the Russia’s number 1 is known – took his unbeaten streak to 11 games since the first round of the elite online super-tournament with another dominant day’s play.

He is now a dead-cert for the knockout stage, while Carlsen – by his own admission – faces a battle to get through.

Today, Nepo scored wins against the young American star Hans Niemann and Indian prodigy Praggnanandaa, the 16-year-old who hit the headlines overnight for his shock win over Carlsen.

The World Champion’s form has been patchy since day 1 and in an interview after play he revealed why – he tested positive for Covid-19 before the start of the tournament and is still feeling the effects.

Carlsen scored two wins and a draw but suffered a catastrophic loss to the tournament underdog Eric Hansen. The champ appeared to blunder horribly with 30. Rb1 and was forced to resign moments later.

https://chess24.com/tour/carlsen-struck-by-covid-19-every-time-i-think-i-blunder/
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Fri 19 Aug 2022, 14:52

Fortsatt höga (och ökande) nivåer av Covid i avloppsvattnet i Stockholm och Malmö: https://twitter.com/Bio_conversion/status/1560610053878472704

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Jag rekommenderar verkligen Twitter-kontot https://twitter.com/Bio_conversion som postar dessa uppdateringar vanligtvis varje fredag. I avsaknad av allmän testning så skulle jag tro att detta ger den bästa bilden av hur smittoläget ser ut.

De som testas på sjukhusen testas när de kommer dit pga vårdbehov. Men det brukar ofta ta flera dagar (har för mig att det är i genomsnitt åtta dagar) när man får Covid tills dess att man är så sjuk att man behöver uppsöka vården. Så siffrorna vi får därifrån visar hur smittoläget (i den mån man kan utläsa något meningsfullt från så begränsad data) såg ut för kanske en till två veckor sen.
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by Nemesis » Sat 20 Aug 2022, 15:39

Forskare: Finns fysiska mätbara bevis för rehabiliteringsbehov efter covid-19

En ny studie vid Linköpings universitet fastslår nu att det finns tydliga fysiska mätbara bevis för ett stort rehabiliteringsbehov hos vissa patienter efter covid-19.

– Att betrakta covid-19 som en kultursjukdom har man inga som helst belägg för, säger Richard Levi, professor i rehabiliteringsmedicin.


Studien har följt samtliga patienter som sjukhusvårdades under den första pandemivågen våren 2020.

– Det är ingen tvekan om att en betydande andel av de sjukhusvårdade patienterna fick ordentliga kvarstående besvär, säger professor Richard Levi.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/det-finns-fysiska-matbara-bevis-for-rehabiliteringsbehov-efter-covid-19
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Sun 21 Aug 2022, 18:59

New study suggests covid increases risks of brain disorders (Washington Post, Aug 19, 2022)
The analysis, conducted by researchers at the University of Oxford and drawing on health records data from more than 1 million people around the world, found that while the risks of many common psychiatric disorders returned to normal within a couple of months, people remained at increased risk for dementia, epilepsy, psychosis and cognitive deficit (or brain fog) two years after contracting covid. Adults appeared to be at particular risk of lasting brain fog, a common complaint among coronavirus survivors.
(...)
While cautioning that it is impossible to make full comparisons among the effects of recent variants, including omicron and its subvariants, which are currently driving infections, and those that were prevalent a year or more ago, the researchers outlined some initial findings: Even though omicron caused less severe immediate symptoms, the longer-term neurological and psychiatric outcomes appeared similar to the delta waves, indicating that the burden on the world’s health-care systems might continue even with less-severe variants.
Hannah Davis, a co-founder of the Patient-Led Research Collaborative, which studies long covid, said that finding was meaningful. “It goes against the narrative that omicron is more mild for long covid, which is not based on science,” Davis said.
“We see this all the time,” Putrino said. “The general conversation keeps leaving out long covid. The severity of initial infection doesn’t matter when we talk about long-term sequelae that ruin people’s lives.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/08/19/long-covid-brain-effects/

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Post by Nemesis » Sun 21 Aug 2022, 19:11

Dagens Science-Based Medicine:
Contrarian Doctors, The Pandemic is Over Again, Again

I predicted last year that contrarian doctor would continue to say “the pandemic is over”. How did this prediction hold up?

On November 19, 2021, I published an article titled “Contrarian Doctors: The Pandemic is Over, Again” in which I reviewed the overly optimistic predictions of several doctors, including myself. I noted that declarations that the pandemic is over have often turned out to be reliable indicators of when cases would start soaring again, and I made a few additional predictions. Namely, I predicted that the continued message of contrarian doctors would likely be “the pandemic is over, again” and that if COVID faded away, “some of these contrarians will then say ‘I told you so’“.

Enough time has passed to see how well my predictions aged.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/contrarian-doctors-the-pandemic-is-over-again-again/
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Post by dann » Mon 22 Aug 2022, 09:38

And I am again prepared to make another prediction. The continued message of contrarian doctors will likely be, “the pandemic is over, again“, and whether or not COVID fades away, they will say “I told you so“. A year from now, I predict I will be able to write as essay titled “Contrarian Doctors, The Pandemic is Over Again, Again, Again”.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/contrarian-doctors-the-pandemic-is-over-again-again/
Unfortunately, the "contrarian doctors" are the ones currently in charge of the pandemic response in the Nordic countries, which, by the way, is just one of the many reasons "why resorting to references to scientific consensus doesn't really work": https://forum.vof.se/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33435&p=749314#p749314
In a Scandinavian context, the contrarian doctors are people like the ones in Swedish VetCov19 or Danish Astrid Iversen. The consensus is made up of Covid minimizers spreading false reasons to be cheerful.

According to the article in Science-Based Medicine, one Dr. Marty Makary "said the Omicron variant was “nature’s vaccine“." He did so on Jan 1, 2022. As I have mentioned before, Danish epidemiologist Lone Simonsen repeated this nonsense ten weeks later when the death toll from Omicron and its sub-variants had already become obvious:
Rigtig mange danskere har fået tre vaccinedoser, og når vi så bliver smittet med omikron, fungerer det altså som en ‘naturlig’ vaccine. Det er beskrevet i en videnskabelig artikel fra juni 2021, at når man er vaccineret og er blevet smittet efterfølgende, giver det en super-immunitet.
https://videnskab.dk/forskerzonen/krop-sundhed/den-spanske-syge-er-et-pragteksempel-paa-hvordan-pandemier-ender

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Post by Nemesis » Mon 22 Aug 2022, 12:03

dann wrote:
Mon 22 Aug 2022, 09:38
And I am again prepared to make another prediction. The continued message of contrarian doctors will likely be, “the pandemic is over, again“, and whether or not COVID fades away, they will say “I told you so“. A year from now, I predict I will be able to write as essay titled “Contrarian Doctors, The Pandemic is Over Again, Again, Again”.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/contrarian-doctors-the-pandemic-is-over-again-again/
Unfortunately, the "contrarian doctors" are the ones currently in charge of the pandemic response in the Nordic countries, which, by the way, is just one of the many reasons "why resorting to references to scientific consensus doesn't really work": https://forum.vof.se/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33435&p=749314#p749314
In a Scandinavian context, the contrarian doctors are people like the ones in Swedish VetCov19 or Danish Astrid Iversen. The consensus is made up of Covid minimizers spreading false reasons to be cheerful.

According to the article in Science-Based Medicine, one Dr. Marty Makary "said the Omicron variant was “nature’s vaccine“." He did so on Jan 1, 2022. As I have mentioned before, Danish epidemiologist Lone Simonsen repeated this nonsense ten weeks later when the death toll from Omicron and its sub-variants had already become obvious:
Rigtig mange danskere har fået tre vaccinedoser, og når vi så bliver smittet med omikron, fungerer det altså som en ‘naturlig’ vaccine. Det er beskrevet i en videnskabelig artikel fra juni 2021, at når man er vaccineret og er blevet smittet efterfølgende, giver det en super-immunitet.
https://videnskab.dk/forskerzonen/krop-sundhed/den-spanske-syge-er-et-pragteksempel-paa-hvordan-pandemier-ender
Ja tyvärr dominerar denna grupp i iaf Sverige och Danmark (osäker på hur det ser ut i övriga Norden).

När jag skriver "vetenskapligt konsensus" så menar jag naturligtvis globalt.
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